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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it's not sarcasm if he actually changes it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madcat, depending on what it is you want to do, I'd suggest at the very least getting some training if not going for a degree. In my job searching though, it feels like a lot of jobs want a damn piece of paper..

But I agree with something a writer told me once. "You can't teach talent." So if that's something along the lines of what you're going for, just do whatever gives you lots of opportunities to hone your talent.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*makes excited "shushing" motions at Sadsiren*

No, no! Don't mention the "T" word.....Dave's got this whole rant on it and if he hears you....*looks around furtively*
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worries on all accounts.

I don't mind saying I done fucked up.

But yeah, MadCat, figure out what works for you. That is not, by the way, sarcasm. I mean that Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess what I would really want to find would be a program that specifically teaches me the skills I want/need to use, rather than a bunch of miscellaneous crap that I'm never going to use again in my life.

For example, why do I need to take 12 credits worth of science (Lab Science, at that, and I've never successfully completed a lab in my life.) if I'm going to be drawing comics for a living? Yeah, well-roundedness or whatever, but I'm not going to remember the stuff after I leave school, and I sincerely doubt I'm ever going to use it.

Bah. I dunno. I think it was fear of the lab sciences and the senior capstone project, and the whole 'declare a major at X time or you can't register for classes' that scared me off, plus the whole 'oh hey, I'm suicidally depressed' thing, that destroyed my desire to get a degree.

Maybe this sounds wussy and like I should have just sucked it up and gone through the grindwork, but at the time I just could not handle it. I still really don't see the point of taking a bunch of extraneous filler classes just so I can look 'well-rounded.'

And thank you for the advice. Very Happy <-- also not sarcasm, just to be clear Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your school's teaching you to think, hence the "classes you don't need".
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if I already know how to think, why can't I test out of them? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... uh... I'm gonna have to ask my manager...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL!

That's another thing that bugs me, nowadays it seems like degrees really have become 'just a piece of paper' that everyone is supposed to have just to get a standard minimum wage job. It's the new Diploma. Then everyone goes in (regardless of whether or not they have any actual interest in scholastics), cheats and/or coasts along on easy classes just so they can say they went. Going to university doesn't really mean anything anymore. It's like just another checkbox right now.
Degree? Yes_ No_

I'd really like to see the system get overhauled, to where you can tailor the program to your interests, learn things that are related to your particular area of study, gain the skills you need and will use in a future career, and have it actually mean something that you went and studied a particular thing, rather than 'oh, everybody goes, and studies whatever, and I don't care what your degree is in, as long as you have one.'
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike has covered this elsewhere, but yeah.

I've thus far had 2 jobs where a degree is "required", but since I knew someone, I was able to make an impression on the employer, and demonstrate that I could do the job without the paper saying I can do the job.

Am I bragging? A little bit, but also keep in mind that despite these two good turns I've also suffered greatly because I don't have that degree, getting turned away from most places that I apply to, getting paid shitty wages due to lack of degree, and going without jobs for months at a time.

Get your degree, but don't forget to treat people right. You never know who'll come back down the line and give you a helping hand. Burn someone, and you can be sure that they'll remember when a time comes that you can use their help.


This post is NOT sarcastic Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sucks, that you were getting turned away. Sad

I mean, a degree does NOT prove you can do a particular job. It just proves you were able to jump through the hoops of the educational system, not that you actually have real skill or ability.

Like you said, you could totally do the job. Having/not having a degree doesn't change that fact.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Popping back on topic (how briefly, I do not know) Hasbro has announced that they will be releasing a figure based off "The Creature" from "Cloverfield". In order not to ruin the surprise (as was the case with the design for the American "Godzilla" being leaked from toy molds before the movie came out) the figure will not go on sale until Sept. 30, which is also after the planned DVD release for the movie.

Included are said to be the figure, 3 heads (normal and "agitated" for the creature, and the iconic Statue of Liberty head from the trailers) as well as a set of smaller mini-figures which if named may venture towards the "spoiler-ific" area.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, my willpower finally broke down and I went and looked at the Wikipedia article for the film. Yeah, I know, weaksauce, fail, etc. etc...

I think I've fallen firmly back on the 'not going to see it' side of the scale. It has too many elements I really don't like to see in films. I'd rather spend the time doing something I enjoy more. Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like looking for a job?<-------totally sarcastic Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, sure. That or gargling nails, or getting my eyebrows plucked out one hair at a time, or having someone stomp on me repeatedly. Yay fun.
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