HP Book 7

Zeke · Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject:

Depends if they're going for the reader's own grief or grief through the characters wouldnt it?
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Heartbreakshow · Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:06 am Post subject:

Yes, Hermione will commit seppuku because we all know Harry Potter takes place in Japan... Rolling Eyes

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trebuchet · Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:19 am Post subject:

Zeke · Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject:

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEE!!!
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Sadsiren · Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject:

I'm definitely looking forward to when this comes out. I'll be getting the audio book, for my commutes to/from work. :3

But! I did see the local Barnes & Noble hyping the Snape being good or evil. If you've read book 6 then you might understand my theory when I say that I think Snape is still good.

*Book 6 spoiler coming if you care >.> *

At the end, Snape had an easy opportunity to take Harry straight to Voldemort. But he didn't. Instead he was teaching Harry to learn to cast spells without speaking while he was helping Draco get away. Earlier on in the book, you may remember Hagrid telling Harry that he overheard Snape and Dumbledore arguing about something. We know that Snape was obligated by the Unbreakable Vow he made to kill Dumbledore should Draco fail. I'm certain that what Hagrid heard was Snape telling Dumbledore this, and Dumbledore saying what to do if it came down to it....to go ahead and kill him.

*end spoiler*

On a different note, I'm not a big fan of the Ron/Hermione ship. >.>

As for who might die, I've been thinking that it'll be Voldemort and Harry both at the very least. Not that I want Harry to die, but I don't doubt that Rowling might do it.

Heartbreakshow · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:30 am Post subject:

I would love for her to kill of Harry, but there's a huge chance that she might not because of the ages of some of the people who read Harry Potter books. It's important to remember even though people of all ages read it it's still classified as a children's book. Although I'd hate to believe this is the truth, the only reason I think she killed Dumbledore is cause of the movies (for people who don't know the first Dumbledore actor guy is dead). I also don't think she;d kill Harry caise of the psycho fans out there who might want to murder her for doing so.
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trebuchet · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:46 am Post subject:

Rowling never struck me as someone who caters to anyone's needs, even children's. I think she'll end it as any good writer would: with truth.
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Dave · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject:

Truth? You're going to have to explain that to me. The book being fiction, and you saying "truth" throws me off.
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Zeke · Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject:

trebuchet · Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:14 am Post subject:

The "truth" I'm speaking of has nothing to do with whether or not the writer is writing fiction or non-fiction. Just because someone writes fiction doesn't mean he or she is not telling the truth. It's something many actors can relate to. When they play a character in a scene they don't want to be lying about their emotions, they want to be true. The same goes for writing. If Rowling ends up writing an ending to Harry Potter that doesn't ring true then she's no writer at all, just another huckster hocking her "cure-alls" from the back of her covered wagon.

Lesson time is over. Now for beatings: OF COURSE I KNOW IT'S FICTION YOU KNUCKLEHEADS!! *kicks Dave then Joel in their respective bean bags* Mad

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Dipsosis · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject:

What...what do you mean it's fiction?

You filthy mudbloods will rue your insubordination when Lord Voldemort makes sweet sweet love to your eye sockets!

Parsifal · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject:

Pfft, bunch of wimps needing wands to cast.

Also, as if anyone needed a reminder, doesn't the 7th book drop this Friday night/Saturday morning?
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Dipsosis · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject:

Damn, I feel the need to contribute a genuine clarification to balance my worthlessly snide remark. I'm so weak.

The "truth" man cannon is referring to has everything to do with every aspect of the "fiction" a writer is attempting to create. We afford a certain amount of suspension of disbelief when we digest a work of fiction, but if, let's say, the setting of a work of fiction is just stupid, it fails the "truth".

We may accept, for example, that motorized vehicles transform into giant robots, but if unicorns and leprechauns showed up to save the day, that would clearly violate the "truth" of that particular fiction.

In terms of plots, for all the greatness of the ancient Greek playwrights, they even had a name for their brand of bullshit: "deus ex machina". They went to such great lengths to inflict pain and suffering on the subjects of their tragedies, only to fall back on a cheat to resolve the conflicts in their works. Any time a writer suddenly wraps everything up into a neat bow, our minds and hearts struggle with rejecting it, as life is nothing like that. There's a reason a bulk of us hate sappy happy endings.

And as Treb expounded upon, the reason for the cliche of actors asking "for their motivation", is to adhere to the "truth" of their characters. So often, writers have a specific plot point they want to reach, and they get there by sacrificing the integrity of their fiction by having them do or say something completely out of character for them.

There are any number of ways to fail the truth of a work of fiction, and one of the primary reasons Rowling succeeds is that she understands and adheres to "truth". Honestly, she's written hundreds of pages of sloppy writing where nothing happens and her structure goes straight to shit, but her world and characters ring true, and keep us coming back because we're so enamored with them.

Parsifal · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject:

Though Steve did drop it for a bit because he couldn't take any more of Harry Potter the character.
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Sadsiren · Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: